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Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:12:00 - [1] Originally by: Chip2k3 still not good enough. 4 titans = 2 DD's every 30mins. thats enough to wipe out a bs fleet so the jammer will always be defended. however i dont see why a rotating warp in shouldnt work. get a few covops positioned in strategic positions around the jammer, send in groups of....20? 30? 40? BS's at a time. As long as you have the advantage of numbers then the titans wont DD a small group of ships. although this tactic could be countered with carriers repping the jammer. if the whole fleet warps in for the carriers the titan goes kerboom What you are missing here is that all of your BS really need to be in one close blob so that you remote-rep each other, you are after all at a deathstar pos and will need to be there for a while to kill off all those jammer hitpoints, a BS outside of the RR blob will quickly become a dead BS to small a blob and you can't collectively regenerate the HP to tank the deathstar. The Cosmopolites thread op really is an excellent analysis of the situation.
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 18:02:00 - [2] Originally by: smitor if you look beyond the tags under every name and just focus on the actual situation you will have the core problem with jammers, pos, deathstars and supercaps right at hand. There is a balance issue when it comes to investing isk. A Defender who invested huge amounts of isk into a) getting a system sov up by placing and mainting pos b) dropping atleast 250-400 bln isk in 4 well fit titans (bpos included) c) dropping another 200-300 bln isk in 10 well fit motherships (bpos included) d) invested a few billion isk in pos fuel e) invested in a station 22 bln isk f) invested in a fleet of 50 dreads and 50 carriers billing total 200 bln isk ? is able to defend with about 200 active ppl a region from 600 ppl trying to disable the cyno jammer flying t2 fitted battleships/logistics. Quality of equipment pays actually out seems the logic behind it. Is that something which is wrong ? As Diana suggested if Jumpbridge use of titans was changed and maybe it took slightly more time to reonline a jammer the system would really work as intended. Any other change is just going to help more the "bring numbers and you can crush any defence" crowd. Having invested alot of money in the defence, the attacker is than not allowed to invest that amount of money on the attack, because of the cynojammer. Your argument is one for an unbreakable defence, and in the light of the steady power creep and isk inflation in this game one that eventualy everyone will be able to employ. Also "I have spent more money than you ergo I should win" is not the kind of thing eve grabs me as being about.
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 18:37:00 - [3] Edited by: Desiderata Fabian on 10/03/2008 18:38:03 Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Having invested alot of money in the defence, the attacker is than not allowed to invest that amount of money on the attack, because of the cynojammer. Your argument is one for an unbreakable defence, and in the light of the steady power creep and isk inflation in this game one that eventualy everyone will be able to employ. Originally by: Goca Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Also "I have spent more money than you ergo I should win" is not the kind of thing eve grabs me as being about. Neither is it, "if you can bring more numbers, (even with inferior ships) you should win" Yeah the system is cynojamed, a massive fleet of BS are the only thing you can get into it, that was what we are talking about. But you know that because you read the part of my post that you deleted, right?
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 20:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Goca Neither is it, "if you can bring more numbers, (even with inferior ships) you should win" Originally by: Goca so I guess you'll need a massive fleet of bs then.. I think the problem lies in that you no longer have a massive fleet of bs to go into the system because so many allies got the shaft when they came down to help out. Methinks that is the problem, not the cynojammer.. food for thought Yeah I can't even work out what your point is anymore, was it that we have numbers and think we should win or that we don't have numbers and deserve to lose?

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